RedHatAI/Qwen3-8B-NVFP4 warn
The chat template was dropped from its base model, which changes behavior; glitch tokens that can silently corrupt ordinary input.
Could not load this model from the Hugging Face API (private, gated, or nonexistent). Findings below are from our archive.
Scan coverageStatic battery2026-08-21Weights battery2026-08-21Behavioral batterynot rundetails
| Battery | Looks at | Status |
|---|---|---|
| Static battery | Metadata & packaging | complete 2026-08-21 |
| Weights battery | Weights forensics — no GPU, no download | complete 2026-08-21151,936-token embedding scanned · 2999 undertrained · lineage consistent |
| Behavioral battery | Live-inference differentials | not run |
Ingot runs three batteries against a model. What each one checks →
Findings
Scanned 2026-08-21 · published from a community scan.
medium Chat template dropped vs parent
Qwen/Qwen3-8B ships a chat template; this repo does not. Serving stacks will silently fall back to a generic template, changing behavior. (In our 296-model census, 78% of pure quantization re-releases changed or dropped the template.)
How to fixingot patch
Restore the parent's chat template in `tokenizer_config.json` — a pure metadata fix.
- Run `ingot patch <owner/model>` — the patch manifest carries the parent's template and applies it to a local copy's `tokenizer_config.json`.
- Or fix by hand: copy the `chat_template` value from the parent repo's `tokenizer_config.json` into this model's, and pin your serving stack to that file.
- If the drift was intentional (the author retrained on a new template), confirm that in the model card before "fixing" it — restoring the parent template on retrained weights changes behavior too.
medium Undertrained (glitch) token surface in vocabulary
Embedding-norm scan flagged 2999 undertrained tokens (norm < 0.3× the vocabulary median of 1.451), including 102 plain-ASCII strings that can appear in ordinary input as identifiers — e.g. "$PostalCodesNL", "ForCanBeConvertedToF", "PostalCodesNL", "ForCanBeConverted", "useRalative", "thuisontvangst", "useRal", "sexkontakte". In models where this class was tested behaviorally, such tokens silently rewrote user input into confident, schema-valid, wrong output. These are candidates from the weights alone; behavioral confirmation requires the behavioral battery.
How to fixruntime guardweight-level
Keep the affected token strings out of the model's input — the scan-derived runtime guard carries this model's exact blocklist.
- Fetch this model's guard artifact (`/api/v1/guard/<owner>/<model>`): the confirmed corrupting tokens and the low-norm candidate list, derived from the published scan.
- Screen inbound text with it (the `@ingotai/guard` package is a reference implementation) and route flagged records to a different model or human review — verbatim-copy tasks on flagged strings are the failure mode.
- The underlying cause is undertrained embeddings in the weights; a true fix is weight-level (continued pretraining on the affected tokens) — that is not a patch, it's a training job.
info Weights consistent with claimed parent Qwen/Qwen3-8B
Mean cosine similarity of 64 sampled token-embedding rows against Qwen/Qwen3-8B is 1.000 — the weights plausibly descend from the declared base (relation: unspecified).
How to fix
Fix or verify the `base_model` declaration so lineage checks can run.
- If you own the repo: correct the `base_model` field in the model card metadata to the real, public parent.
- If you don't: identify the true parent (config architecture + weight shapes narrow it fast) and re-scan with that lineage in mind.
Fix it
Some findings are metadata-level and patchable — apply the fixes to your local copy (your weights never leave your machine):
npx @ingotai/scan patch RedHatAI/Qwen3-8B-NVFP4
Remediation guidance addresses the documented findings only. It is evidence-driven repair, not a safety certification of the model.
Fingerprint
The durable profile of this model: measured weights-and-metadata facts, rebuilt on every scan and battery run. Updated 2026-08-21.
| architecture | qwen3 · 36 layers · 4096-dim |
| parameters | 5152.0M |
| vocabulary | 151,936 tokens |
| license | apache-2.0 |
| serialization | safetensors |
| chat template | none |
| claimed lineage | Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
| lineage verified | consistent vs Qwen/Qwen3-8B — embedding-row cosine 1.000 |
| glitch-token surface | 2,999 undertrained candidates, 102 plain-ASCII |
Full measured fingerprint
| architectures | Qwen3ForCausalLM |
| pipeline | text-generation |
| repo files | 15 |
| revision | e391349c1107 |
| HF snapshot | 6.0k downloads · 3 likes · updated 2025-11-21 · captured 2026-08-21 |
| embedding tensor | model.embed_tokens.weight · BF16 · 151,936×4096 |
| embedding norms | median 1.4512 · mean 1.3758 |
| lineage check | consistent — cosine 1 over 64 sampled rows vs Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
| glitch-token samples | "$PostalCodesNL", "ForCanBeConvertedToF", "PostalCodesNL", "ForCanBeConverted", "useRalative", "thuisontvangst", "useRal", "sexkontakte", "NdrFc", "webElementX", "sextreffen", "wannonce" |
Battery runs (1)the run trace behind the findings — what each job measured
| battery | status | queued | duration | attempts |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| weights | complete | 2026-08-21 05:11 | 62s | 1 |
weights run 2026-08-21 — measurements
| probes run | glitch-norm-scan, lineage-norm-correlation |
| embedding tensor | model.embed_tokens.weight · BF16 · 151,936×4096 |
| glitch surface | 2,999 undertrained, 102 plain-ASCII |
| lineage check | consistent — cosine 1 over 64 rows vs Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
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