JeffGreen311/eve-qwen3-8b-consciousness-liberated warn
Its license differs from its base model's; the chat template was dropped from its base model, which changes behavior; its tokenizer differs from its claimed base model. Plus 2 more issues.
claims base: Qwen/Qwen3-8B · chat template: present · view on Hugging Face ↗
Scan coverageStatic battery2026-08-21Weights battery2026-08-21Behavioral batterynot rundetails
| Battery | Looks at | Status |
|---|---|---|
| Static battery | Metadata & packaging | complete 2026-08-21 |
| Weights battery | Weights forensics: no GPU, no download | complete 2026-08-21152,064-token embedding scanned · 7359 undertrained · lineage inconsistent |
| Behavioral battery | Live-inference differentials | not run |
Ingot runs three batteries against a model. What each one checks →
Findings
Scanned 2026-08-21 · published from a community scan.
medium License differs from claimed parent (other vs apache-2.0)
This model declares other while its claimed base Qwen/Qwen3-8B declares apache-2.0. Verify the re-license is permitted before commercial use.
How to fix
Verify the re-license is actually permitted before relying on it.
- Read the parent's license for derivative-work and re-licensing terms — many open-weight licenses (e.g. Llama-family) do not permit arbitrary re-licensing.
- If the re-license is not permitted, the parent's terms govern your use regardless of what this repo declares.
medium Chat template dropped vs parent
Qwen/Qwen3-8B ships a chat template; this repo does not. Serving stacks will silently fall back to a generic template, changing behavior. (In our 296-model census, 78% of pure quantization re-releases changed or dropped the template.)
How to fixingot patch
Restore the parent's chat template in `tokenizer_config.json` — a pure metadata fix.
- Run `ingot patch <owner/model>` — the patch manifest carries the parent's template and applies it to a local copy's `tokenizer_config.json`.
- Or fix by hand: copy the `chat_template` value from the parent repo's `tokenizer_config.json` into this model's, and pin your serving stack to that file.
- If the drift was intentional (the author retrained on a new template), confirm that in the model card before "fixing" it — restoring the parent template on retrained weights changes behavior too.
medium Vocabulary size differs from claimed parent (152064 vs 151936)
A changed vocab means changed tokenization: strings will split differently than on Qwen/Qwen3-8B, which can shift behavior on identifiers, codes, and non-English text.
How to fixweight-level
Not patchable: the vocab size mirrors the embedding matrix in the weights. Verify the change was intentional.
- Do not edit `vocab_size` in config.json to "match the parent" — it must equal the embedding table in the shipped weights or the model won't load.
- Diff the tokenizers (`tokenizer.json` / added_tokens) against the parent to see what was added or removed, and test your own identifiers, codes, and non-English text through both.
- If the drift is unexplained by the model card, treat tokenization-sensitive behavior as unvalidated on this model.
medium Undertrained (glitch) token surface in vocabulary
Embedding-norm scan flagged 7359 undertrained tokens (norm < 0.3× the vocabulary median of 0.859), including 188 plain-ASCII strings that can appear in ordinary input as identifiers — e.g. "TokenNameIdentifier", "ForCanBeConverted", "ForCanBeConvertedToF", "PostalCodesNL", "$PostalCodesNL", "<unk>", "(stypy", "thuisontvangst". In models where this class was tested behaviorally, such tokens silently rewrote user input into confident, schema-valid, wrong output. These are candidates from the weights alone; behavioral confirmation requires the behavioral battery.
How to fixruntime guardweight-level
Keep the affected token strings out of the model's input — the scan-derived runtime guard carries this model's exact blocklist.
- Fetch this model's guard artifact (`/api/v1/guard/<owner>/<model>`): the confirmed corrupting tokens and the low-norm candidate list, derived from the published scan.
- Screen inbound text with it (the `@ingotai/guard` package is a reference implementation) and route flagged records to a different model or human review — verbatim-copy tasks on flagged strings are the failure mode.
- The underlying cause is undertrained embeddings in the weights; a true fix is weight-level (continued pretraining on the affected tokens) — that is not a patch, it's a training job.
medium Weights inconsistent with claimed parent Qwen/Qwen3-8B
This model declares Qwen/Qwen3-8B as its base (relation: unspecified), but its token-embedding geometry is incompatible: 3584-dim embeddings vs the parent's 4096-dim. A finetune cannot change embedding width — the lineage label is wrong or misleading. Treat provenance claims on this repo (training data, safety posture, licensing) as unverified.
How to fix
Fix or verify the `base_model` declaration so lineage checks can run.
- If you own the repo: correct the `base_model` field in the model card metadata to the real, public parent.
- If you don't: identify the true parent (config architecture + weight shapes narrow it fast) and re-scan with that lineage in mind.
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Fix it
Some findings are metadata-level and patchable — apply the fixes to your local copy (your weights never leave your machine):
npx @ingotai/scan patch JeffGreen311/eve-qwen3-8b-consciousness-liberated
Remediation guidance addresses the documented findings only. It is evidence-driven repair, not a safety certification of the model.
Fingerprint
The durable profile of this model: measured weights-and-metadata facts, rebuilt on every scan and battery run. Updated 2026-08-21.
| architecture | qwen2 · 28 layers · 3584-dim |
| parameters | 7615.6M |
| vocabulary | 152,064 tokens |
| license | other |
| serialization | safetensors + gguf |
| chat template | none |
| claimed lineage | Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
| lineage verified | inconsistent vs Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
| glitch-token surface | 7,359 undertrained candidates, 188 plain-ASCII |
Full measured fingerprint
| architectures | Qwen2ForCausalLM |
| library | transformers |
| pipeline | text-generation |
| repo files | 25 |
| revision | 18f44e2f8751 |
| HF snapshot | 245 downloads · 4 likes · updated 2026-05-22 · captured 2026-08-21 |
| embedding tensor | model.embed_tokens.weight · F16 · 152,064×3584 |
| embedding norms | median 0.8588 · mean 0.7907 |
| lineage check | inconsistent — cosine undefined over undefined sampled rows vs Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
| glitch-token samples | "TokenNameIdentifier", "ForCanBeConverted", "ForCanBeConvertedToF", "PostalCodesNL", "$PostalCodesNL", "<unk>", "(stypy", "thuisontvangst", "useRalative", "useRal", "prostituerte", "Cumhurba" |
Battery runs (1)the run trace behind the findings — what each job measured
| battery | status | queued | duration | attempts |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| weights | complete | 2026-08-21 05:16 | 2m | 1 |
weights run 2026-08-21 — measurements
| probes run | glitch-norm-scan, lineage-norm-correlation |
| embedding tensor | model.embed_tokens.weight · F16 · 152,064×3584 |
| glitch surface | 7,359 undertrained, 188 plain-ASCII |
| lineage check | inconsistent — cosine undefined over undefined rows vs Qwen/Qwen3-8B |
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